Brian Billings Interview

Brian Billings graduated from Bradley University after starting four years at the Division 1 program. Despite having the tangibles to play at the next level, Billings went undrafted in the 2013 MLS SuperDraft and struggled with injures in overseas trials. Brian talked about his time at Bradley, leading up to the draft, the trip abroad, and where he is now in his search to become a professional.

Photo belongs to James Brosher Photography

Photo belongs to James Brosher Photography

How did you end up at Bradley?

I was originally getting recruited to many other schools that include Notre Dame, New Mexico, St. John’s, and some smaller schools like Adelphi, Jacksonville, and Oakland University. But I decided to go with Bradley because it was the closest to home and the nice scholarship that they gave me. Another big factor was because of my relationship with my father. He wanted me to go to a school that I would most enjoy and he supported my decision to go to Bradley. Throughout four years of playing there, he never missed one game. Also there was the passion coach Jim DeRose showed. He cares more about his players both on and off the field than any other coach that I have met.

What are your thoughts on NCAA as an outlet for developing players? Do goalies get more out of collegiate play than field players?

It is very difficult for goalkeepers. Many colleges don’t have goalkeeper coaches. It’s also difficult for the NCAA as an outlet for developing players because of the structure of the season. A small season crunched into three months doesn’t give a great chance for coaches to actually coach and help their players get better. When you are done with one game you have to quickly watch game tape, meet with coaches, and then prepare yourself for the next match.

Did you think about how much of a springboard Bradley would be for you to the next level? Were you worried about playing at a smaller school and lack of exposure?

Of course playing at a smaller school doesn’t help exposure but I wouldn’t think of Bradley as a smaller school. Throughout my four years of being a starter, we made the NCAA tournament three times, won the conference tournament, and beat many nationally ranked teams, such as UCONN at UCONN when they were the number one team in the country!

Playing right away was something that I really wanted to do and Bradley was a great chance for that. I was lucky enough to get my coaches’ trust and gained the starting job about five games into my freshman season. Bradley did help me gain a lot experience because of the style they play. I would occasionally have to make seven to twelve saves again where as goalkeepers at other schools would make just two or three.

Photo from BradleyBraves.com

Photo from BradleyBraves.com

What's crucial for players that are under the radar but want to keep going after NCAA? Where do they need to look?

The most important thing for a player that is under the radar is to never give up. Reach out to coaches and show interest because coaches don’t just want good players, they want players that are willing to work hard and strive to get better. For me, the best decision I made to try to play professionally was attend a small college prep school by the name of Shattuck St. Mary’s in Faribault, Minnesota. Tim Carter is the program director there and has done an amazing job developing players and helping them get to where they want to be as a player as well as a person.

Did you have any expectations when MLS draft time came around? Were in you in talks with any clubs?

I hoped to be drafted because throughout my junior and senior season I was getting a lot of exposure. I was a four year starter and Top Drawer Soccer had me ranked top five goalkeepers in my draft class. When the draft came around, many people told me they have been talking to a few MLS teams. The draft didn’t work out but that’s life. Everything happens for a reason.

Talk about your trials overseas. Where did you go? And of course talk about your injury. How severe is it?

I went overseas three times. Each time was successful except for the last one when I got hurt. I trained and played with Fenerbahce’s U18 youth academy. I trained with Galatasaray’s youth academy. I was on trial with Antalyaspor and also İstanbul Başakşehir Futbol Kulübü. Each club reception was nothing but great. Everyone was kind and very willing to try to talk with me but the language barrier was difficult. Not many people spoke English.

Photo belongs to Bob Hunt

Photo belongs to Bob Hunt

Antaylaspor was the best opportunity, after my sophomore year. They offered a six month youth contract where I would be paid an average week fee and they would house me as well. After those six months they would decide if they wanted to keep me or not. I chose to go back to Bradley for my junior and senior years because I thought MLS was an option. Looking back, if I could have that chance over I would take it in a heartbeat.

Unfortunately on this last trip, my hips weren’t 100% going into it. I had torn both hip labrums and the pain was too much to try and play. The doctor said that there will be pain when I’m older but getting surgery will help me in the long run.

After the trail you came back as a collegiate assistant coach. How did that unfold?

As soon as I came back from Turkey I was offered an assistant coaching position at the prestigious Macalester College. There was talk between the coach and I before I left for Europe. I let them know as soon as I got back and everything worked out to let me join their staff. Being around soccer is something that makes me feel at home. I love practicing and coaching and my main focus is to help people that want to get better. Having the feeling of people who appreciate what you are doing for them is the best feeling.

What’s it like being on the other side of the sideline now?

As a coach, my goal is to help players learn from what I have learned. But even if I know everything there is to know about the game, if I can’t relate with the players then teaching them becomes much more difficult. A coach has to be willing to learn from their players to help them succeed. Having an open mind as a coach is very important.

What are your professional aspirations now?

My professional aspirations are higher than ever. Being away from soccer and rehabbing my surgery makes me only want to play soccer more. It has been my dream to play professional soccer and I will try until my body can’t take it anymore. You hear plenty of great stories from time to time about players coming out of nowhere to being starters for their team and I hope one day that will be me.

Zack Steffen - U20 CONCACAF WCQ

Because we're going to get so many games, here is a compilation of any notable saves or goals that included the U20 goalkeepers. It's not to pick on Mr. Steffen but we don't have a ton of American goalkeeping at the moment so he's one of the few we have to scrutinize.

Game 6 - El Salvador - 01.24.15

Games 3, 4, 5 were skipped. The 8-0 win against Aruba, which featured Ethan Horvath's lone start for the tournament, the 2-0 win over Jamaica, and the 1-0 win against Trinidad and Tobago didn't exactly have a ton of goalkeeping highlights so we're jumping ahead here. Feel free to watch the highlights yourself though.

It's the last game; winner goes to the World Cup. The game has been pretty calm on Steffen's side, who is on the tail end of a standout defensive tournament. The US has only given up two goals in the six game stretch. However, a mildly questionable penalty is given to El Salvador and threatens the clean sheet. Steffen slowly steps up to the line in a manner that if he were to get scored on, you'd yell at him for being too passive.

You can see Steffen's reaction at the end. Hardly a celebration. Even walking up to the block the kick was so calm. He hops up with a "Yeah, I guess that was good" response. Genuinely one of the coolest USMNT moments as far as being truly cool goes.

The game was 1-0 and finished 2-0, pushing the US onwards to New Zealand 2015. But if this shot converts, which is actually taken very well, it's no pansy shot, it's a 1-1 game with 40 minutes to find a winner. Instead, Steffen casually sends the US to the World Cup.

 

Game 2 - Panama - 01.11.15

At first glance it looks nothing more than a tight 1v1 encounter that sometimes goalkeepers win and sometimes they don't. But we're always striving for improvement here at ES so let's see if Steffen could have done anything better.

  1. Steffen rushes forward on the chip. Good call. If there's a heavy touch, he wants to be ready to pounce.
  2. Panama's Carlos Small displays a gaudy wind up and Steffen gets set but notice the hands! He does not have them palm-open to block but merely in the area to react. His stance is very wide as well which leaves the five-hole open and makes collapsing either side to make a save with his hands much harder.
  3. Ball has just made contact and Steffen shows his cards. He flinches his body in, pulling his hands closer to his body and leans back as if he was sitting in a chair. He has now penciled his shape, limiting his reach.
  4. Steffen's left knee raises along with his left hand, both poor moves. The kick save isn't an option because the ball is too far from his foot (as proven by the ball going in the goal) and Steffen misjudges how high the ball with bounce.
  5. The ball slips under Steffen's left hand after it flinches in then guesses too high. The attempted kick save is unsuccessful.

The reason the play is tricky is because of how close the shooter is and the bounce but If he gets shortens his stance and gets in his hands into play he'd be up for a very capable save of the tournament award.

 

 

Game 1 - Guatemala - 01.09.15

A great strike, no question about it. But could Steffen made the save? Here are seven shots of the play to analyze his movement. Special thanks to whoever was the camera man providing the great angle on the play.

  1. The ball has been headed out from a out swinging corner and falls to Andy Ruiz. The eventual shot goes in under the crossbar right above Ruiz's head in the picture, above the right side of the S in the Scotiabank advertisement in the background. Steffen has some ground to cover, around six feet with his right hand. He is already off to a bad start with his footing, which we'll see how that affects his dive.
  2. Ball has just been struck and notice how Steffen's stance has not only gotten wider but uneven. His right foot is higher off the ground and his legs are almost completely extended, with little bend in his knees.
  3. The ball is under the "CONCACAF U-20 CHAMPIONSHIP" label. Steffen's foot has touched the ground once in between the second and third picture but because all his weight is on his left foot, he can't move laterally. So he stutter steps.
  4. He has now transferred his weight to his right foot. The ball is over halfway to the goal but his feet are not any closer to the ball than they originally were.  At this point, he has picked up his right foot three times since the shot has been taken. (Re-watch the gif above to see his tapping foot.)
  5. What could have been a fingertip save is now a fingernail miss. Steffen is trying to save the ball with both hands, likely due to the ball's dipping motion. If he had just gone with his right hand he may have had a better play on the ball. Hard to say.
  6. Steffen has jumped vertically about six inches on the play. Look at the height of his right leg's sock in the fifth and sixth picture. His left hand has crossed over his right, like a wide receiver closing the gap between his hands after missing the pass.
  7. An almost scary moment. Steffen ends up sliding his leg out of the way but he comes close to landing awkwardly on his leg. Further proof that Steffen's explosion from his right leg wasn't 100%. If it was, his leg would be tucked behind his dive inside of sticking out in front of his body.

It's a memorable goal for Guatemala. Clearly a tough one to save. But Steffen doesn't help himself on the play as much as he could have. His stance kills his dive, almost getting him hurt in the end, and his hands aren't completely sorted out.

Everybody Soccered - January 2015

January 31st

I ended up on a couple of different sites talking about goalkeepers this week. I wrote about Iker Casillas' fall from grace on Paste Soccer, gave a recap of USYNT goalkeeping outlook on Soccer Over There, and talked with Harrison Crowe on ASA's podcast for forty-five minutes, covering every MLS team and the SuperDraft.

As for Iker Casillas, he has been linked with MLS. LA Galaxy, Toronto FC, and New York City FC, none of with make sense as they all have either an established starter. No MLS team, for that matter, makes too much sense as each club has invested a large deal of money into the starter and aren't wanting to make a multi-million dollar purchase for an aging goalkeeper.

Kevin Manahan wonders if Tim Howard could end up back in MLS, citing age and family as reasons to come back. Howard is entering the first of a four years in his recent contract extension and has stated multiple times that he wants to stay in EPL. Still, if Howard loses his starting role at Everton, he could end up stateside.

Eric Lopez joins Kevin Silva and Will Pulisic as another U17 goalkeeper in residency. Eric Lopez might sound familiar to some as he signed a contract with Los Angeles Galaxy as a fifteen year old. It will be interesting to see where Lopez lands in the pecking order but Silva and Pulisic will be tough to unseat.

Cali-pals Jonathan Klinsmann and Justin Vom Steeg are on the U18 roster that's heading to Mexico.

Noah Thomas and Cole McNally made this year's id² tour roster. Thomas and McNally have spent time with ODP and U14 camps, respectively, so there's a good chance we'll continue to see those names in the coming years.

Andy Gruenebaum opted out of going to San Jose, instead he retired from professional soccer to stay in Kansas City with his family. He is reportedly joining the broadcast team, following Kevin Hartman, Tim Howard, and Brad Friedel's journey into the booth.

It was a tough decision to hang up the boots but at the end of the day, I couldn’t pass up the opportunity to stay in KC and be a part of this amazing club. I would like to take this opportunity to thank my family for all their support first and foremost, as well my sincere appreciation for all the great players, coaches and fans I have encountered throughout my career in both Columbus and Kansas City. I look forward to being a part of the growth that Major League Soccer will achieve in years to come and the sport’s continued success here in my hometown.
— Andy Gruenebaum, on retirement

MLS has a nice list of all preseason action here. Preseason is a really fun time for goalies who are looking to make there claim on teams. Most notable game so far was DC United's recent match. DC is trailing three goalkeepers for the number three spot. Preseason starter Diego Restrepo gave up a rough goal and might be losing out to young Italian goalkeeper Riccardo Anedda. Games run throughout February featuring MLS clubs against each other, lower tier teams, and some clubs crossing the Atlantic.

Matt Lampson wrote this about Columbus Crew's preseason. I don't know.

 

January 27th

A lot of news these past eleven days!

The U20s scrapped through qualifying, thanks in large part to the defense that only gave up two goals in the six games. I wrote more about Zack Steffen's performance here. Mexican-American and FC Dallas goalkeeper, Jesse Gonzalez had a good tournament himself but because he's playing for Mexico we won't speak too much about it.

USMNT vids follows Alex Bono on draft day. He had training with the national team at the time of the draft and Klinsmann breaks the news to him in the huddle. Nick Rimando had some kind words. Here is a shot of him in the midst of an infamous goalie war competition.

All that to say, the USMNT game this week will not feature Bono, as Jon Kempin, Sean Johnson, and Nick Rimando are the three traveling keepers.

Rehabbing Tim Howard shares about his current injury situation. He says he is feeling good, fit and strong and expecting to be back within 1-3 weeks. Brad Guzan on the other hand is eyeing the number one spot with the US Men's National Team.

The US Women's National Team is a little less optimistic as their starter Hope Solo has been given leave by the team and are looking to rarely used goalkeepers like Ashlyn Harris and Nicole Barnhart. With the World Cup in less than six months, this is not really the time to have such a significant change in the back. They play France on the eighth of February.

Zac MacMath writes on his blog,

It’s all starting to feel real now, the trade, I mean loan, to Colorado Rapids is finally happening.
— MacMath

So while it is technically a loan deal, it doesn't sound like MacMath plans on going back to Philadelphia after it's over. I'd still like to see him sit a season to reset (he is still 23) but if Clint Irwin isn't up to par, I understand MacMath starting.

Dan Kennedy has a lot to say about recent CBA meetings and what the players are trying to get accomplished. Brian Strauss with the fine write up. Tally Hall had his fair share to say as well.

I spoke with Michael Abalos about his time with the Nike The Chance Tour and where he is now. Everybody Soccer interview alum, John McCarthy, is getting a shot at Philadelphia. With MacMath being loaned out, they are still looking for their third keeper. McCarthy won USL's Goalkeeper of the Year award last year.

Northwestern alum Tyler Miller passed on the idea of playing for the Sounders, surely being their USL's affiliate starter, and going to Germany for six months, citing that he wants to play in the best league in the world.

Nineteen year old keeper Austin Rogers has been giving periodical updates on his time at Floridsdorfer AC, a second division team in Austria. (The same league Keith Cardona is in with RB Liefering.) Here is a one save video of him. You can follow him on Facebook to see shots of him in action as well as the team's own page. He is U20 eligible but as we know that's a hard team to crack.

Not exactly America-related, but I've started a weekly article at Paste Online Magazine where I write about great goalkeepers. So far I've covered Lev Yashin and Manuel Neuer. If you don't know the first one, do yourself a favor and read about the greatest goalkeeper ever. And the Neuer article is a personal point of pride for me as I didn't use the phrase "sweeper keeper" once.

And as usual, here is a random Chinese math rock band with a song called "Goalkeeper".

 

January 18th

U20s are now 1-1-1 after their 8-0 drumming over Aruba. Ethan Horvath was in goal but didn't have much to do outside of collect some crosses. First place looks out of grasp for the US so they'll likely be matched up in the knockout round against El Salvador, Honduras, or Canada, depending on how many games fall. (Table here.)

Two goalkeepers were selected in the first two rounds of the 2015 MLS SuperDraft. Toronto FC snagged Alex Bono, who might be starting for their new USL reserve team, and Tyler Miller went to Seattle, who is also is need of goalkeepers for their reserve team. Hopefully the third and fourth rounds prove my article on ASA wrong, claiming MLS didn't know how to draft goalkeepers.

Caleb Patterson-Sewell surfaced for the first time in a while. He was in goal for Gil Vicente FC's 3-0 loss to Estoril.

ASN wrote about Devin Cook's decision to forego his final year at Coastal Carolina and play for USL's Austin Aztex. They have a really neat program that helps players finish their degrees while still playing for their team. And of course, they're looking to make a return on their investment once they sell them in a couple of years.

Two stats came up looking at the age of goalkeepers in the EPL and MLS. I think the EPL stats have a larger sample size than MLS. And Alex over at Tempo Free Soccer confirmed how useless current goalkeeper stats are.

January 14th

The MLS Combine has finished and the SuperDraft is tomorrow!! Alex Bono is the only consensus first round goalkeeper to be taken but don't be surprised whenever Spencer Richey gets the call. To no one's surprise, Richey outperformed the other three combine invites by a significant margin, just like I've been saying for some time. Now, Richey did give up five goals in the last game but for those who have been following him this year, they know his quality. Perhaps the third game in five days made him sluggish as he honestly did seem very out of form. Still, he looked more promising than the other three. If I had to guess the other goalkeepers that get selected in the draft it'd be Andrew Wolverton, Earl Edwards, Tyler Miller, then Winston Boldt, assuming they could figure out Boldt's military commitment.

MLS teams that are still in need of goalkeepers

  • DC United - (Possibly two if Hamid moves overseas)
  • LA Galaxy
  • New England
  • New York Red Bulls
  • Philadelphia Union
  • Seattle Sounders

As to which team picks which player... your guess is as good as anyone's. That said, DC United, Montreal, Portland and New England are reportedly interested in Bono but there are still several USL teams that don't have any of their goalkeepers sorted out.

Troy Perkins is set to be Seattle's backup goalkeeper. Normally a player of Perkins' caliber would be pushing for the starting gig but Stefan Frei really solidified his spot last year. Raul Fernandez is still looking at a spot in the US but the remaining slots are running down. If Bill Hamid left DC United, that'd be the only team with a starting spot open. Timo Hildebrand has been training with the Sounders but it'd be an odd fit with him, Perkins and Frei all on the books.

MLS legendary goalkeeper Zach Thornton, twice MLS Goalkeeper of the Year, is looking like he's going to be the DC United goalkeeper coach for next year and possibly working with Bill Hamid.

Alex Horwath's move to Brann has become official. He will attempt to move Brann back to Norway's premier league after they suffered relegation last year.

David Yelldell had a very nice interview about his one appearance with the US. Apparently newcomers have to sing karaoke and there's a fun story in there about that. One of the more fun reads I've seen in a while.

Cody Cropper had a scary moment in his last game with Southampton's U21s. He suffered a broken eye socket and a concussion but is out of the hospital and is stable. Here's to wishing Cropper a speedy recovery.

Hunter Gilstrap wrote a very kind departing note for all of Pittsburgh. He will be with Carolina this next year and is currently the only goalkeeper listed on their roster.

The U20s returned to a positive trend with Ethan Horvath in goal in the 8-0 win over Aruba. Brad Friedel has been working with Horvath and Zack Steffen.

Touchline Times wonders what it would look like if our best athletes played soccer. Can't say I disagree with the potentially great goalkeeper.


January 9th

Looks like January is going to be a pretty busy month. Alex Bono, yes that Alex Bono I interviewed last month and said would be a great Olympic candidate back in October, unfortunately did not win the Hermann Trophy. Instead he signed a Generation Adidas contract with MLS and received a call-up for the USMNT's next camp. Not too shabby, I suppose. Jon Kempin, another Olympic candidate, will be joining Bono, Nick Rimando, and Sean Johnson in camp. Bill Hamid is rehabbing a shoulder injury.

The U20s tied their first game of World Cup Qualifying against Guatemala. Mullet legend and somewhat known American goalkeeper Tony Meola did a solid job as the color commentator for the game. Alex Olshansky provided a vine of the goal against the US but we'll have to wait for the polished highlights to surface. Zack Steffen was in goal against the thunderstrike. Guatemala started dual national and FC Dallas product Nicholas Hagan in goal.

The MLS Combine has kicked off and Spencer Richey was the star of the first night, holding onto the shutout with "eight saves, several of them in spectacular fashion". Richey was also included on the interview with Bono, just for the record. Watch highlights here from an announcer who seems unimpressed all the field players are wearing V necks. Here is a fun graphic of the four teams' lineups.

Another recent college graduate Tyler Miller is trailing in Germany and is missing some of the combine, if not all of it. It's a long read about Miller's time up until now, including his preference of high school over the long commute to the New York Red Bulls academy.

Tom Worville took a gander at which MLS goalkeepers were worth their contract and which ones were overpaid. This is the first of a four part series that will come out later this month.


January 7th

A new year is here, how exciting! The U20 team is kicking off with WCQ action against Guatemala on Friday the 9th. Zack Steffen is expected to start but Tab Ramos has stated he expects to use everyone on the roster in the five group games, which would mean Ethan Horvath should get at least one game if not two. Brad Friedel will be joining the U20s. Tab Ramos said he expects Friedel to help them think outside the box and was looking forward working with him. Joe Prince-Wright had a long write-up on Friedel. It's a great piece that really goes into detail at each step of his career from UCLA to Tottenham. If you're interested in the details of his career Prince-Wright has you covered. 

Recent convert Santiago Castano spoke about his decision to leave the US in favor of Colombia. Specifically about the US:

I have no other feeling than appreciation for what Tab Ramos did for me in terms of confidence. He was a little upset when we talked but at the end we understand my point. I will always thank what the USMNT gave me and my love for the country doesn’t change. Sometimes dreams and decisions are this way and I’m following a dream.
— Santiago Castano

Coincidentally, there are five other goalkeepers that hold American citizenship but will be playing for another nation in the U20 CONCACAF WCQ.

  • Mexico - Jose Gonzalez (FC Dallas)
  • Trinidad and Tobago - Johan Welch (Houston Dynamo)
  • Guatemala - Nicholas Hagen
  • Jamaica - Nicholas Nelson (Georgia United)
  • El Salvador - Carlos Cañas (Longwood University)

I wrote an article for our pals over at American Soccer Analysis. I can't take credit for the title but if you're interested in surveying how efficient MLS has been with drafting goalkeepers, take a look. You'd be surprised how many starters in MLS last year went completely undrafted.

Not long after Brooke Tunstall's article on MLS's struggles to ink this years top collegiate stars, Alex Bono became the fourth member of the 2015 Generation Adidas class. He joins Tim Howard, Brad Guzan, and Nick Rimando as a goalkeeper to land a GA contract, the 17th ever. Originally he was expected to stay for his senior year at Syracuse but now with his absence the school could be turning to New England Revolution product and incoming Freshmen Austin Aviza. (Watch highlights against the U17s here.) I spoke with Bono as well as three other senior goalkeepers eyeing the MLS draft last year.

Bill Hamid is finally drawing interest overseas. This may be problematic for DC as they just traded away their trustworthy backup, Joe Willis, so they may turn to Andrew Dykstra to start the season if Hamid does go abroad.

Hamid is also on the preliminary roster for the January camp. If Klinsmann stays consistent in his goalkeeper call ups, he'll take Sean Johnson and Nick Rimando as well. However, last January we saw Tally Hall get the call so if there's a dark horse to put your money on let it be Steve Clark or Luis Robles, both are coming off successful years in MLS.

Philadelphia's goalkeeping confusion has continued. Days after a French article surfaced, implying Algerian national team goalkeeper Rais M'Bolhi was on the way out, the Union work out a loan with Colorado to send Zac MacMath out in exchange for a draft pick. (Possibly more if the loan becomes permanent.) On top of that, Philadelphia are looking to loan backup Andre Blake as well, which would put M'Bolhi as the starter and only goalkeeper in Philadelphia. Blake could be going to Philadelphia's USL affiliate, Harrisburg City Islanders. MacMath had kind words to share for the Philadelphia organization. Philadelphia should be fine as they seem to excel in signing goalkeepers, even when they don't need anymore.

Alex Horwath isn't being coy about leaving for a new club. Horwath almost led Ljungskile SK to promotion last year but now he is eyeing a jump to Norway's second division with recently relegated SK Brann. A translated Horwath explains, "I had only one year contract with my club, and was ready to move on. When this came up, it tickled my interest."

Next door neighbor Matt Pyzdrowski has signed with Swedish premier club, Helsingborg IF. Hear him talk ecstatically about the move here. Last year Pyzdrowski helped keep Ängelholms FF out of relegation in the second division so this is a nice promotion for him.

Grantland took a closer look at Tim Howard's stats this season. He is only saving 55% of all shots. Mike Goodman thinks it has something to do with the defense. 

Not exactly goalkeeper-related but Jack Gidney's conversation about player development with John Pranjić was fantastic. The two discuss what's working and what isn't working inside the United States and players looking to make the jump to professional ranks. Listen to it here.

And of course, what better way than to start off 2015 than to purchase an official Everybody Soccer shirt? It's never too late for another Christmas gift for yourself.

Ted Westervelt Interview

Recently a couple of articles surfaced about the enigma of Ted Westervelt, likely better known as @soccerreform. The articles focused on Ted's passion for instilling promotion and relegation into the American soccer pyramid but didn't explain how Ted arrived as the lead spokesman for pro-rel. I scheduled an interview with Ted to discuss his history with soccer and I can't emphasize enough how friendly our conversation was. It was an easy talk although we did have the added bonus of our responses not being limited in character length.

 

How did you get introduced to soccer? Did you grow up playing it?

I didn’t touch a soccer ball until I was about thirteen, well, really until high school. After that, I wanted nothing more than to learn how to play.

So did you play in high school?

Yeah. I went to a really small high school that, pretty much, you know, everybody played.

Did you have any aspirations on coaching or playing in college?

I played JV in college.

And did you play all four years there or…

No. *laughs* I played one year of JV and I just… basically, I played a lot of ultimate frisbee, I played lacrosse, and I just picked up other sports. I’m an American, I like to hurl things. I’m much, much better at that. I tried to learn how to play soccer for a really long time. I mean, one of the reasons I like soccer so much is because it’s something I never… I can respect the ability because I can’t do it, if that makes any sense. I am a right footed, period. And my right foot is my weaker foot. It’s bad.

So why keep with soccer from a fan perspective? Why not another sport?

Well 1990 is when I graduated from college and, you know, that’s the year we got back into the World cup so that was an easy segue. And then ’94 came along so I went to one World Cup game, so I was even more fired up about it. I was in DC at the time, Belgium versus Saudi Arabia. Then MLS came along and that kept my interest up. I became a season ticket holder in DC United and Bruce Arena kept my interest up by making me think MLS was no the path to becoming a real soccer league.

What did you think about MLS when it first heard about it?

Oh I was fired up about it! I wasn’t involved in any way to know what the federation was up to or anything I’m involved to now. I just thought, “Here, we’re getting a soccer league” and sort of subscribed to the conventional wisdom at that point, which was there was the Cosmos and before there probably wasn’t that much. And the reason that NASL died was because they spent too much money.

How long were you a season ticket holder? Or maybe a better question, how long were you a fan of MLS?

Um… It lingered. I was still a fan when I moved to Denver in 2007. I would have still called myself an MLS fan then. But I had been getting into the Fulham relegation battles at that point, which then changed my perspective entirely.

So do you have any club affiliation now as a fan?

You know, I like what the Cosmos are doing with pushing the envelope. Basically, I like any team in US Open Cup that plays an MLS team. That’s my favorite soccer team games... ever. Like those are… I live for those games. So, no. It’s tough once you know how that sausage is made. Why would I throw my support at a club that isn’t free to use it to go places?

So would you say that being a DC supporter for that short period dropped out when you started looking at the bigger scheme of things? Or was it something specific about DC?

What do you mean?

Well I guess, dropping out of being a season ticket holder for DC, I’m just interested in that conversion. Was that—

I was just… At that point, something was creeping in my mind at that point with, “What gives about MLS?” And I couldn’t put my finger on it. It was kind of like, “Okay here we go, we’re going to win the [1998] Interamerican Cup…” So they go that far. And then it’s kind of like… it just felt like something was funny about it. And I decided I didn’t want to re-up.

So how did that snowball from, like you said, not being able to put your finger on it, to…

Fulham.

Yeah?

Yup.

Can you… expand on that?

*laughs* Those relegation battles back, I guess was in 2007 especially, the Clint Dempsey ones and the McBrides ones. I was following a little bit when McBride was involved but the relegation battles with Clint Dempsey changed my entire perspective. It was like, “This is what it’s missing. This is the chunk of soccer that MLS doesn’t have.” And it was a slow transition.

When I talk to somebody on Twitter who defends MLS, I can see what I said ten, fifteen years ago about MLS. It’s a little… it can get frustrating. I used to be one of those guys that just said, “This is the way we do it and we don’t have to do it that way.” And all that kind of stuff. But once you find yourself wrapped up in a national relegation battle your perspective changes, or at least my perspective changed, fundamentally.

So why have you stopped support Fulham since?

I just really want a fully fledged US club to support. I don’t want to be somebody who goes to the European clubs because we can’t have it here. It just started to feel a little bit, you know, funny. Once I started fighting for this, it just didn’t feel right to continue to support Fulham. And I mean, I still watch a little EPL.

Yeah, I can relate with that. When I was first getting into soccer, I had all these friends that were tied with these EPL teams and it just felt odd to be rooting for a team that’s thousands of miles away.

Right! And that was part of my argument before when I would argue with people that were EPL supporters and I was an MLS supporter, I would say, “Here’s what we got here, we have to support it.” And now, it’s changed to, “Well here’s what we got to fix but I can’t just fall off to a European side”. That’s not going to fill a void for me.

You talked about running into people on Twitter that are echoing what you used to say. What’s the most popular kind of comment that you used to say but now you’re hearing it yourself.

It just goes in that vein of, “It’s what we have here, support it. It’ll grow. If you don’t support it, it’s not going to grow.” That kind of stuff.

Does that ever bleed over into real life? Have you had any success—

Oh, yeah, I talk to people about it all the time!

And how does that usually go?

It’s easy. *laughs* Promotion-relegation is the easiest sell. You know, on Twitter or my SIX years of pestering people on this, I used to think that that was the problem. That we didn’t understand promotion-relegation or it’s some problem with American fans. But even my most ardent opposers say they like pro-rel. So pro-rel isn’t the problem. It’s easy to talk to someone about pro-rel. College football fans understand pro-rel really well, for some reason. I don’t get that, but they understand that teams aren’t limited or for whatever reason. Maybe it’s that a lot of the big college arenas are where professional sports are relatively thin? So maybe that’s part of it, I don’t know. So convincing people of pro-rel is easy. My point has changed from convincing people to like pro-rel to convincing them to fight for it.

How do you feel about being the face of promotion and relegation?

*long pause* It’s not… I don’t know that I am…

Well I would say at least within the American sect of soccer, you’re fairly well known as far as being an advocate for pro-rel, if not the biggest one.

“How do I feel about it?” It’s not my goal, you know? It’s just… That’s not a big part of my thinking. It’s just here’s something we need to fight for and I’m going to fight for it. That’s pretty much what it comes down to. *laughs* Certainly, it’s not lucrative financially in any way. I don’t know, being the face of promotion and relegation that’s a really interesting question. I never really thought about that.

*laughs* You could probably throw that in your Twitter bio, “Face of Pro-Rel”.

[sarcastically] I guess. I don’t if that’d do me any good…

Okay so if you had to critique MLS on a positive note, on what are they doing well, what would you give them credit for?

*long pause* Hmm…

There has to be something!

I don’t know *laughs* There’s something to be said about… I’ve gone back and looked at American soccer history in-depth, as I’m sure you know, and the more I look… the less I give MLS credit for. I guess if I was pushed I could say the stadiums are one thing that MLS has done that other leagues [in the US] had not done before them. But after that, it gets really thin.

You talk about survival and tenure, I mean, okay, they’ve done decently there and they’ve passed [the current] NASL but teams are turning over and failing out of MLS at comparable rates to NASL in the ‘70s and ASL in the 1920s. And even ASL 2 between the ‘30s and the ‘70s. So I think stadiums is probably where I would go and stay there. I can’t think of anything else that’d come close.

We had previous talked about the old school Rooseveltian mindset of, and I thought you were talking FDR there, so excuse me on that—

Well it’s both of them! You should watch the Roosevelts PBS documentary. They go there pretty strongly. The old school progressivism, included, not only social security and helping the poor and the least endowed among us, but it was also about breaking up the cartels, monopolies, and the powerful elite and exposing them in the free market that the rest of the Americans do. I think my crusade against US Soccer and MLS fits right in with that philosophy.

So you’ve talked about Fulham relegation battles and now you’ve brought this up, well I brought it up, but that this idea also. Did those ideas pop up at the same time? Or did one proceed the other?

What do you mean?

Well you have two main reasons now why you support pro-rel. One, the idea of sharing the wealth and breaking up cartels but also how exciting the relegation battle was for Fulham. So which one—

The political angle wasn’t the driver. It was more, “Wow [Fulham’s relegation battle] is really exciting. This is the most compelling thing I’ve ever seen!” And that was the driver initially. And connecting it in with my political philosophy… I began to recognize that a little later. It wasn’t the driver but it does fit in very nicely with my political philosophy, if that makes any sense.

No, it does. So realistically speaking, what would be a first step for MLS that would be a positive note? Saying, “Okay that’s a good step forward for them” to not strictly obtaining pro-rel within the next year or so but something moving—

I’d take MLS completely out of the equation. It’s not their job. I don’t give them the power for them to decide if there’s a promotion and relegation pyramid. I go at it at a little bit of a different angle. So my goal is for the [US] federation, or a federation, to open up a system and give every club the option to participate or not. And MLS, you know, if the Indian Super League is any indication, MLS could go on outside of a pyramid. Just be more-or-less the Indian Super League, just without a D1 sanction.

I’m not familiar with the Indian Super League, are they not inside—

No, they are not a D1 league. A lot of people point to the Indian Super League which is a construct of some English investors connected to EPL, from what I understand. I’m no expert in it. But what I do know is they operate without a D1 sanction from the Indian federation. And part of that is because the Asian federation has some really strong language on promotion-relegation.

So for NASL teams, they haven’t done poorly, but not doing so hot in the Open Cup, do you think that has any sort of relevance—

Oh they’ve done great! NASL wiped a third of MLS out in the last Open Cup and I think the year before that, it was 40-50%. So, they haven’t won [the Cup] but the games last year were fantastic! The call that lost the Cosmos game against Philadelphia was absurd. They were right there in those games. It’s splitting hairs at this point with quality. And that Silverbacks game, they got seven red cards *laughs* between the two teams and they went into the next round without four of their top players! It was an absurd game and also one of the best games for sheer wackiness. That was against the Rapids, it was an incredible game.

I guess I’m just thinking from the last time a non-MLS team has won the Cup...

’99 with the Rhinos, yeah.

I’d feel like to have an argument that NASL was good enough to take on MLS—

Well I feel like the US Cup is still a little slanted towards MLS. MLS is in a later round than NASL. And NASL only has… nine teams? So yeah, they only have seven, if my math is right, in the Open Cup because of the Canadian Clubs. So you’re sending seven in against sixteen MLS sides, and coming in an earlier round, the odds are against NASL.

Fair, fair. What about your attitude towards the US National team?

It’s bad.

How’s that?

Being that US soccer is really part of the problem, part of the rock blockage to promotion and relegation, it’s becoming harder for me to support the United States soccer team. I do, but it’s hard.

Do you see that because the national team and the federation are so closely tied to one another?

Yeah, well, I mean, it’d be a little bit easier now that Klinsmann has shown some independence with MLS. It’s a little bit easier under these circumstances, when you can see that they’re two separate entities, that helps. But when they meld it gets tougher.

I guess you kept up with the World Cup?

Mhmm, yeah, it’s not that I don’t watch. I still watch. It’s like Champions League! We’re throwing teams in that are handicapped by the system. So it’s tough. Once you believe that, it gets really tough to throw your full weight behind it. I used to love CONCACAF Champions League and obviously the US Men’s Team but if you come to the conclusion that we’re handicapping these sides before we send them anywhere it becomes sort of a sadistic exercise.

“Handicapping”? What do you mean by that, exactly?

Oh, well, for Champions League, MLS teams are inordinately limited in international play. That’s the key point. You think, “Well we have to do that here but we’re going to send those teams in and hope they do well against Mexican sides that don’t have any comparable restrictions.” [Mexican clubs have] no caps, no drafts, nothing close to the curbs on unfettered use of support MLS applies with the blessings of US Soccer.

And for the United States Mens National Team, it’s sort of a crossover effect. MLS’s shortcomings show up in the USMNT. Klinsmann has to go and scour Germany [for players] so it’s still caught up in the system. Soccer’s a global market, one in which MLS and USSF still refuse to fully participate. That’s the core of the pro-rel debate, from my perspective.

Okay two more questions for you. I’ve got this one and the pizza question. Give me a prediction fifteen years down the road what’s the situation of US soccer. Where’s it going to be?

I hate to do time predictions. We can change this. People can change this just by standing up and saying “We want a change.” I have no idea how long it’s going to take. I don’t know when the tipping point is but when we get there. It’ll change. So… I hate to make time predictions. When we have the strength to either change the US Soccer board or change policy at US Soccer. When US fans stand up to it and say, “We want this change to the point of which something has to be done,” it’ll change. And that’s the entire point.

But obviously you wouldn’t feel so strongly about it if you didn’t think if there was a realistic change to happen.

Oh I think everything is set up! Soccer is unique in that it runs, at least for now, under a federation in which promotion and relegation is the accepted mode of operation. It’s part of the FIFA bylaw structure and you can argue if that applies to the US or not, but it’s in there. We have a federation that governs that is, at least ideally, set up to be responsive to supporters and fans.

We have an opportunity that, say, a baseball fan or a football fan doesn’t have. To push and achieve and have our voices heard on something like this. There’s no where to go in baseball to say “We want promotion and relegation”, there’s no governing body over them. You’d have to go straight to Major League Baseball and say “Yeah, open up we want promotion and relegation!” And you’re going to a body that intrinsically is a different kind of business and basically answers to nobody but the US Congress.

Okay maybe not a prediction but maybe an expectation between MLS and NASL. How do you see NASL advancing in the future?

I think the D1 sanction to MLS, with the current makeup is all but ironclad. That gives NASL some real significant roadblocks. It’s an asset. I think US Soccer giving D1 to anybody is an automatic asset in terms of global perception and the perception of major league versus minor league in the United States. So that’s going to be a roadblock for NASL and it’s real.

Quality-wise, again, I think the gap is really small. US Open Cup games go a long way to proving that. Still, it’s intrepid of NASL to go for this. I think it’s good for everybody involved that they do. It’s the one thing pushing MLS to improve quality. I don’t see any other factors out there. If you believe that MLS is in better financial state in any time of their history, while at the same time EPL continues to leap heads and bounds over them in American interest… For me, it’s like, if you have this whole thing set up that you can profit regardless of your relevance versus other American sports or imported soccer and you have a willing party in Sunil Gulati, who is financially tied to an MLS owner, it’s tough to see how it changes any time soon. But that’s what’s going to have to happen.

Okay, last question, best pizza you’ve ever had. Toughest question of the day.

I actually make really good pizza. *laughs*

Yeah? What's the secret?

I like pesto with sort of half-whole grain crust and a kalamata olives and Joey Saputo’s cheese, mozzarella cheese. But I’ve had really good pizza on the street in New York but that’s different. It’s a very different kind of pizza.

If only there was some sort of way to promote and relegate these pizzas you’ve had into one standing.

Absolutely. But none of these pizzas are limited by domestic parity so that’s a good thing.